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Weekly Rant 9: Mind Your Language

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 9:33 AM
Okay; my rants are becoming more and more often; but seriously; this is an issue I NEED to discuss :steaming:

Actually; I do, right now :lol:
However; as some of you know; English is most definitely not my native language.
Like; at all.
And funnily enough; most of my DA friends have the same "problem" :XD:

In fact; lately I've been meeting more and more examples of how not being a native English speaker is considered a problem by some strange persons here on deviantArt.

And thus I want to talk about it.

When I'm targeted about speaking a language other than English; it's not more annoying than a gnat, honestly.

But when AT MY PAGE my watchers are being targeted because they don't use English when talking TO ME....

Moreover; at most of the times I realize we talk in English with my Russian friends when we could have as well spoken our sweet native Russian.
Yet for some reasons we still stick to English - I don't know why; may be because it's fun? :lol:

But not all of our compatriots here know English to a CPE/120 pts TOEFL level and I absolutely HATE it when some brat comes up and demands them to speak English; because you see, that brat has troubles with understanding and others just OWE him explanations.

Thus; let's be honest.

Questions to the reader:

:bulletpink: English-speakers; does the use of other languages in comments; journals and authors' notes really offend you?

:bulletpink: Non-English-speakers, do you ever get harassed due to your use of your native language?

:bulletpink:  Any ideas how to tolerate this? :eager:

If seeing a comment in a language other than English offends you; please LEAVE IMMEDIATELY and preferably without making much of a fuss.
You're not welcome here if you can't tolerate the fact other people speak differently.
Or you may personally ask me to ban you.


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ChantellyHeart Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Student General Artist
I only speak english but I would like to learn another language.

I honestly dont get why people get upset or create a fuss if two other people are speaking in a different language. Maybe its because I'm used to others speaking in their native language because where I work theres alot of people from over seas. And when I see that I'm like, "K, their having their own conversation. None of my bussiness. Keep working Chantelle."

Lol I'm okay with all that jazz as long as nobody bad mouthing me. XD
bunnykiller23 Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
ARG! I am embarrassed to be American some times. If you can't understand it, learn it or suck it up. I can't stand people who think others should bend over backwards to please them.
innocent-rebel Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student General Artist
>_< The fact that people get mad at others for using a different language besides English is absolutely beyond me. Especially when it comes to people using it to talk to someone who speaks that same language ON THEIR OWN PAGE! Who do these people think they are to demand that someone only use a language they can understand? That's their problem, not the other persons. And I have two ideas for them (besides telling them to shut up because they're complaints sound stupid even in English) one is that they use google translate or some other program if they are that desperate to understand all comments. Another, although I admit this one may be a challenge for the small minded, IS TO READ A BOOK. If they get so mad about someone using a language they don't understand, why not just try to learn language? Why not try to educate themselves instead of putting a demand on others? Maybe if they tried to learn another language they'd also find a new respect for the people who can use more than one language, because it's not an easy task to learn another language. And I'd even venture that learning English is harder than most other languages because when you get down to it, it's got some incredibly strange rules even native speakers don't know or follow, strange spellings (lose and loose anyone?! O___O ) and just some downright odd stuff in it. If English is someone's second language, they deserve to be applauded and praised instead of insulted. *headdesk* Some people's lack of common sense and common courtesy makes me fear for humanity.
KatnissRueClove Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It never offends me because I love seeing different languages since it shows how universal everyone is, and how we can join together.
I can't believe how intolerant some people can be!
iLupinus Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It never offends me, but what does is when non-English speakers change languages on me because they don't think I understand. This has happened more than once, and I've have been seriously cussed out in Portuguese before.

I actually kind of love seeing different languages as it just shows how universal everyone is and how we can come together.
VictoriaRay Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
that's is odd... I don't think I have ever heard of someone making a fuss over such a thing. I hope it gets better!
xbrightknee Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Generally if I'm that curious about a conversation in a language that I don't understand, I put it through a translator, it's so much easier than causing a shitstorm, and there's the little fact that maybe the person actually can't speak english. That's disgusting. I mean, it's a basic degree of respect, it's almost like walking up to someone in the street who isn't speaking your native tongue and saying SPEAK MY FUCKING LANGUAGE. It's not okay, and it's pretty much harassment.
Lola22 Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
English is not my native language either, but I like English and I gladly use it. And I think everyone has the right to use their own language. I never got harassed for using my native language (Serbian), people who do that are bad and jealous in my opinion. A piece of advice to those who complain all the time: learn other languages, if not, simply use translators or dictionaries! ;) For example, I don`t speak Russian (I just know a few phrases and words), but that didn`t stop me from joining and following some Russian forums. :)
catelee2u Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's a global community. I think people should be able to express themselves as they please. It's what Google translate is for.
CosmicMyth Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
1. It doesn't bother me whatsoever. This world isn't made of one language, why force everyone to use one language? I like the multiple languages, gives you something to learn I reckon.

2. Never been harassed, since I speak 'English' it's more like "Australian mother fucker! Do you understand it?!".

3. I'd probably tell the whiny kid to bugger off. Either that or just ignore them, and if they keep up with the harassment, block them from your page etc.
Nivalis70 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013   General Artist
I didn't even imagine that the using of other languages might offend anyone :O
The annoying people has indeed a great imagination...
frozen-fyre Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
I honestly can't believe how intolerant some people can be....

I'm sorry these idiots are giving you a hard time. Their behavior is just unbelievable. On a lighter note, I love seeing other languages spoken/used. Foreign languages fascinate me, and whenever I run into one I try to understand (or at least look up on google) what the speaker means and how the grammar of the sentence works. Learning or at least being exposed to languages other than your own is so important that I honestly can't understand how anyone can be offended by it.
Kris10-Karleskint Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I am a native english speaker and when I see others speaking in another language it doesn't offend me at all. In fact, I don't even understand how it COULD offend someone. No language should be considered greater than another and so no one should demand that a specific language be is just ridiculous.

Personally, since I am very interested in studying foreign languages, when I see comments that aren't English, it only makes me even more interested...and even makes me feel a little jealous, that I myself can't speak multiple languages :XD:

I have the highest respect for people like yourself, who use a language other than your native one
....God, I want to be bi-lingual so badly :icontearplz:
jesterry Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
:highfive: I feel absolutely the same way about comments in other languages I have the luck to meet here - they intrigue me to no end! :la:

Mainly because I have some kind of a unnaturally sweet attachment to the very term of the language as a system of cultural bonds and one of our greatest heritages; thus I can't but respect all of them - and simultaneously wonder about their inner beauties :nod:

I also regret sometimes I don't speak more languages :worry:

Mainly because there're no real speaking practice here for those who know more than just English; but I understand your enchantment about people who can freely discuss things in multiple languages :la:
Same with me :aww:
Galadhwin Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I completely agree! I truly wish I could speak more languages...:iconjiraiyalaplz:

(I am co-founder of a group that I've tried to make multi-lingual... although, sadly I do not have the sufficient time to make it *completely* multi-lingual) #HinataHyuugaFC

I've been trying to brush up on my French lately with the help of :iconmornesonge: but unfortunately I don't have much time for that either.

I'm sorry that you experience so much harassment because of your language. (Tell them Google Translate works wonders, then block them! :giggle:)
Most true friends won't mind, though!
zhusanna Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Girl, your English is better than some native speakers I know! :la:

Everyone should use whatever language that they're comfortable using. No one should be made to feel bad or uncomfortable because they're not using English. Though if you're gonna talk about me please use English so I can understand it! :XD:
Rad1986 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
American English is my native language and I speak/read a teeny bit of Spanish thanks to elementary school, high school, and college. It doesn't bother me to see others typing in something other than English... There are times that I would love to know what is being said, but I could just use an online translater. What intrigues me is the sort of keyboard these people are using. Is it the same as an American keyboard, only with different letters/symbols? Lol.

What really bothers me is native English speakers misusing the language. Like chatspeak everywhere or incorrect usage/lack of apostrophes. I'm always impressed when people who say 'English is not my native tongue' have better grammar skills than native speakers!

Haters are going to hate and be annoying; the best thing to do in my opinion is to ignore and block them. They aren't worth your time. :)

~*~ Rad
jesterry Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
I think I'm enchanted by Spanish :heart: I hardly know around a dozen words; and they're already all about love :aww:

I also think EVERY language has this problem of native speakers (intentionally? :o) misusing it :worry: - in fact; there're sometimes such horrible atrocities done to my language I see at our native net resources; - it can instanly make any decent person's eyes bleed :iconbleedrainbowplz:
So I guess I can understand your concern here :huggle:

And! :#1: Dear Lord; their keyboards!!! :omg:
I've been _always_ wondering how people type in other; especially non-latin languages; and in latin - where all the intricate symbols like ą ć ę ń ł ó ś ż â å ê ó ô ñ (:heart:) are situated!! :la:

Perhaps I could try calling our for people to share photos of their keyboards.... :o
Sounds like a great idea; actually :la:
GemDeDude Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013   Artisan Crafter
We have letters like those too, â ă î ș ț. ;P We don't need a special keyboard for it. We just change it in Windows by setting a second language of use (or something like that :lol:).

After making that change I can switch anytime by pressing Alt+Shift. :D And the specific Romanian letters replace a few signs on the keyboard like \ ] [ ' ; in my case. And because of that change some other keys change too. Like ~ becomes ” and < becomes ;.

It was pretty hard to get used to it at the beginning and sometimes I still make mistakes when I change from English to Romanian and vice versa, but I think it's easier than having two different keyboards. :lol:
Stygma Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
French speaker here! I do write in french to some people who are french speaking or knows french. If my comment can be interesting to other people, I write it in english (like a critique, for example). I've never been harassed because of that. That's weird...

Ignore the trolls. That's the only way. (I don't mean to put them on your ignore list, but just... forget to read their comments! LOL!)
ILOVEJIMHAWKINS Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This site is connected to countries all around the world. OF course they're going to be people who don't speak it.

I, for one, don't really care if there are other languages in other comments. I just think it's better privacy. For the most part.

..... I think I would ignore them and maybe ban them from my page. Or just leave.
EscapeingRunaway Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Writer
It annoys me because I love reading other peoples comments but that is why I use google translation. I also am a little bit jealsous of non-speakers because I find English boring but other than that I am fine with it.
PenumbraChey Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I wish I had a knack for other languages. At least I can be proud that my usage of English is better than 90% of the people on dA who claim it as their Native Language. :D
ShadowIsStillAlive Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I speak english. I don't mind when people speak in other languages, I just use google translate.
toxic--sunrise Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Speak the way you choose. It doesn't bother me and honestly, there's several ways to get away from a page that I cannot read because of language barriers.
TheAddster Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree with you whole heartedly and I already left a lengthy message on your poll, which I apologize again for because it's not like me to lose my mind over stuff. But this is one of those things that really irks me.
jesterry Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Adds, dear; please, do not EVER apologize for leaving long comments; 'cause I'm fairly sure you're well aware of the fact that the long comments are my eternal love and a great source of inspiration; however ranty they may be!! :nod:

Apparently this issue also irks me a alot (otherwise it wouldn't have been written into a Weekly Rant section :XD:) but I'm glad that the adequate majority of people here are reasonable and so wonderful :la:

This returns me the hope of the better world. We can do it :aww:
totally not implying Maddy here :D
TheAddster Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Muahaha yes In Madds we trust!!! But it is pretty terrible to hear about things like that, and I take offense to it as an English speaker that others are making us look ignorant and entitled.
Theos-Kengen Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Au Chante Madam :bow: Ich Spreche Nicht Gut Deutsch, Aber Ich Sprechen Sehr Gut Englisch :XD: Let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me Spencer :evillaugh: :ninja:

The use of other languages in comments does not offend my, but rather intrigue me :eager: I have always found other languages fascinating, and while I cannot speak any fluently, I do give it an honest effort. When I see comments in another language I pull up the nearest translator to understand the just of the conversation -- most cannot grasp another language wholly, but it does well enough for me to understand some of it.

I would highly discourage harassment, and if I found a troll, they would obviously be begging to be banned :banned: If we cannot accept diversity and beauty in different forms (including language) what the hell are we doing on DA?!? :O_o:

The only solution is not to tolerate this indecent treatment, instead fight this terrible injustice and report their sorry asses -- maybe when they get banned for not reading the etiquette policy ...No, sadly they will probably live in the sheltered confines of their miserable existence. But on the off chance they did learn something, hopefully it was respect as well as some common decency.

I enjoy your rants :aww: It gives me an excuse to join you in you burning crusades :onfire:
jesterry Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Monseigneur Spencer; c'est mon plaisir de vous rencontrer :aww:

Although I'm sure not all of these German words are due to be capitalised ^^;

(And when you're calling these funny rants a crusade it makes me feel like a Kinght Templar on duty :XD: So much responsibility!! :eager:)

Nonetheless I'm glad you share my ideas :highfive:
(or rather; they aren't mine; they just seem to be the most appropriate code of conduct in the given multi-cultural circumstances! :la:)
Theos-Kengen Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Vous écrivez bien, et Google Translate a été très utile ;)

Very out of practice with my French, despite taking two years in school :altermind: -- Enchanté (Au Chante :roll:) ;p Right you are, almost all the words did not need to be capitalized, but it was fun :XD: I dabble in many languages not very well I might add, just look at that massive French mishap :omg:.

Lots of responsibility indeed; however, I must admit... per gli Assassini! (Assassin's Creed background chant :ninja: but if I remember you don't play many video games :doh:

Yours, mine, ours, it is of little difference :highfive: I agree most emphatically :la:

Hopefully this did not get too wonky during translation :giggle:
Хороший день для вас, и благословение на ваш дом.
Jyukai-Koudan Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
I'm Dutch, but when I comment on art of Dutch people, I use English.
In cases I did use Dutch, I've never been harassed or anything.

If some people have a problem with Russian comments (or any other language), it's their own problem. (Or none of their bussiness at all.)
If they really want to know what you say, there's always Google Translate.

It's different of course when two people have a discussion on your own page in a language you don't know, but still no reason to harass someone.
LilithHatchersoon Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
that is mean,just mean!Just becouse they have the luck that their native language is international,doesn't mean that there also aren't other languages.Every one has the right to be different,and when the reciver undertsands it,what the hell does that bother anyone else?!It does bother me sometimes when the artist I'm watcing post some comic(or similar) I don't understand,but I don't care!Maybe he/her is bad at english and doesn't want people leaving comments just to say'you spelled that wrong'(wich happens very often).Then go to google translate!And if it's non of your buissnes,then just leave=(
Yet,luckily there still are people who don't bother other languages,respect:clap:
Cheetah-Moon Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
It bothers me when someone doesn't have some form of English translation in their description section of DA. I would like to know what you're saying, especially if it's important.

It doesn't mean not put your native language on there. I would like to see what you wrote in the descriptions is all.
I could care less about the comments.

I'll admit though, I'm being hypocritical because I don't put anything but English in my description when I submit art.
Kiemari Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know about this very well, though I haven't been harrased for writing in my native languaue here on DA.. I am only 16 but I am extremely skilled in english, thus I have no porblem using it as a means of communication here on DA. I originally speak norwegian, but there aren't allt hat many norwegian people here. I do tend to write english, even though I am commenting on a norwegian artist's picture.. That's not because I don't want to use my native language, but it is so that anyone else that might read the comments posted earlier will understand what I said.. Secondly when I try to write constructive replies to a picture in norwegian it sounds too stupid, since I am too accustomed to using english in my daily life XD

I do beleive people should be allowed to comment in their native language, and they shouldn't be harassed for it, thats just not right. Deviantart is for everyone regardless of what language you might use when commenting here..
lifebyedeath Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
ikr?! it's awful, it's he equivelent to something like the relationship between my aunt and her mother-in-law during a car ride. Observe:
Aunt: *says something to husband who is driving*
MIL: What was that?
Aunt: Oh i just had to tell (husband name here) something
MIL: But what was it?
Aunt: -.- (on the inside) I WAS TALKING TO MY HUSBAND NOT YOUUUU!!

and lulz, something like that yeah? it's just like, this conversation has nothing to do with you! In the end we decided instead of answering with a serious response in that type of situation we would say 'oh just how the weather is nice' or 'i think i want to start growing carrots' and so on :3
jesterry Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
Man; that carrots reply is hilarious! :XD:
Perhaps; I'd try using it should the situation occur again :D
Thank you for sharing this brilliance :highfive:

In fact; I realize that in 90% cases (though I'm aware of the remaining 10% of super important discussions :nod: which I'd go and translate with Google) people use their native languages here to just discuss their personall stuff that isn't like international business at all :XD: but also isn't serious and might use intranslatable jokes as well :D
lifebyedeath Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
haha no problem, it twas my honor! *bows* X3
Umaken Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
PS Неужто и к тебе пришло?..
deviantART muro drawing Comment Drawing
jesterry Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Таки да, таки да.
(Если что, это уже другой персонаж. Видимо, их много.)

Случайно обнаружила (ведь как ты помнишь, ответы на комменты к нашим работам нам не присылают в инбоксу), и подумала, что коли один раз ещё можно списать на частный случай идиотизма, то второй, да ещё и в собственной вотчине - ни за что.
Заблокировала нафиг.
Umaken Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist

deviantART muro drawing Comment Drawing
Theos-Kengen Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Lol :thumbsup:
Umaken Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Theos-Kengen Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
;) :aww:
Gingersnap87 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It doesn't bother me, that's what browser translators are for! :dummy: In fact I have a lot of friends that don't have English as their native language, but they still speak good English, but if they want to use their native language in whatever they want to use it in, that's fine with me~
Knight-Dawn Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student General Artist
I'm a native English speaker - really, it's the only language I'm fluent in. I know tidbits of Spanish, French, German, and Japanese... But surely not enough to hold a decent conversation.

Actually, I'm impressed more than anything when talking with non-native speakers online. If anything, it bothers me to hear them apologize to me about the fact that their English isn't perfect. Heck, my English isn't perfect either. Most of the time, I'm barely aware of the fact that they're not speaking to me in their first language. I wish I could speak their native tongue instead. It'd only be fair.

If I see a non-english post on this site, it doesn't bother me. If I REALLY want to know the gist of what was said, I just use google translate. It might not be a perfect translator, but it does the job.

Really, it kind of makes me mad that people would harass you guys over what language you post in. :/
kittykatmafia Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
Aargh, I know how you feel so much ;_;
I'm Afrikaans, and though people don't mind me speaking in it (they actually think it's pretty awesome) they ridicule it all the time, and make fun of what I say. Afrikaans has a couple of weird words, sure, but every language does.
It's really pathetic that languages get put down all the time because of English. Personally, I'd love to speak all the languages out there. Every time I see a comment or a deviation in Spanish or Russian or Japanese I feel really happy inside ^_^
jesterry Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013
:ashamed: (I'm so; so sorry for being ignorant and never before even being aware of Afrikaans - perhaps it's because SAR is too far from Russia? ^^; Or my geography lessons just took place some n-teen years ago ^^; (I'm sure we were learning about countries' languages!) - but thus; today I learnt about another language; and hence - another culture! :la:

Thank you for sharing you concern :highfive:

And oh; just how awesome could it be if we woke up one day and could understand and speak all the languages of the world?! :la:
That's just incredibly amazing!
If only we could :worry:

I mean; it's so great that the languages diversity exists; I certainly wouldn't have loved it if all of us spoke the same language around the world - too damn dull; but yes; an understanding of these heritages... Truly priceless! :nod:
IzzyMarrie Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It's ridiculous that people would harass you for speaking another language on here. It's even more annoying that anyone would think of harassing people talking to you in your native tongue. *shakes head* Honestly, I would love to be able to speak more than one language. Also, it's not as if deviantart was even created with just the 'English' speaking population in mind. It's an international art community, and as thus, naturally should contain many different artists who speak different languages. And also, if someone is ignorant to believe they are owed a translation to what you're saying because you're saying it in another language, my advice is to ignore them. I mean, I can understand if there's text on an artwork that the viewer can't understand and they ask nicely if a translation could possibly be provided (as long as they don't throw a hissy fit if the artist says 'no'). However, being a brat and demanding English being spoken in the comments is something I find childish.
ArtFreakA Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student General Artist
ok first off: wow your English is good! If I had to judge your English just by reading your journals then I'd say you come straight from England!
Then, it does not offend me when other languages are spoken or if English is bad. I'm not a teacher, so it's none of business.
I find it rude that this harassment even takes place! We are not all from the same cultural background, seriously it's the WORLD wide web. These people who do not tolerate the mix of languages should just suck it up!
Thanks for writing this journal, I hope that many people see it :)
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