Uchiha Phantom of the Naruto Opera vol.2

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:wave: Hello and welcome to the Sherlock Uzumaki club! :sherlock:
Today we revive the memories from October-2011 and Uchiha Phantom of the Naruto Opera Volume 1 for the great lulz of the upcoming revelation.

I've been wanting to make this compilation of thoughts and ideas for ages, and it is you, my dear readers, who provided me with facts and inspiration to bring together so many versions - especially I wish to wholeheartedly thank dear reviewers, commentators at NarutoWorld for the endless brew of conspiracies and lulz we create every other week :aww:

Therefore today it's not only my musings alone - it's the collection of comments and various ideas that are meant to spark your inner sherlock into action :la:

Choryunami suggests:
I've never been a Naruto-predicting-person =D, and I won't definitely break the habit in a situation like this. XD I'm enjoying a lot all the hypotesis and comments, though!
Just sitting back and enjoying the show, yeah. Hoping to see some more memorable events like the ones I witnessed recently... :meow:


Unfortunately, Marise567 stored this awesomeness, but we remember!:la:

1. Tobi=Obito:

solar-sea trolls:
Imagine if Orochimaru in his quest to revive the Uchiha clan now comes and revives Obito along with the other clan members :iconrainbowtrollplz:
THAT would be the epitome of trolling :XD:


To what MajorasMasks logically replies:
Indeed! But with all this reviving things here and there, even with just parts of chakra like for the ten tails biju, it wouldn't surprise me if we had two Obitos around! XDDD


<...> All the Naruto plot so far is just a genjutsu made by Obito.


StarJosherson ascertains:
Tobi... This guy has a really messed up dream. If he truly is Obito, then those boulders must have hit him really hard in the head. They did a pretty good job at screwing him up!


Aleeight asserts:
I think it's Obito somehow. Kakashi is there for a reason, and I think the most obvious answer here is going to be the right one.
There is no one else that will create the impact that Obito would in the next, few chapters with who is present now. Kakashi Gaiden was produced for a purpose beyond Kakashi's backstory.
It was to introduce Obito.
It also makes sense for one of the main villains to be an anti-Naruto.

It might not be Obito's consciousness though. Or, it is Obito who was warped somehow. I am not comfortable with it being Obito who fully chooses to do all of this.


Junablossom dreams:
Another wild guess is. If there is another dimension, maybe Tobi is not even from the one they are from? I read somewhere the wild thoughts of: Obito was able not to feel the other half of his body because he was able to send it in the other dimension...
that is really wild, however a real freaky way... if that... oh may...
the Tobi may found him in the other dimension.
Used the Sharingan and since he was not able to have sucess in his world, he screw up their world...
That also make it possible that is maybe was the 'other Obito' from there, not a good natured one the evil one.


2. Tobi=Rin:

Takakidra says :
Obito? I dunno, but how he grew up that fast? Rin? I would like a female villian :D A creature Madara made? Yeah, a superzetsu :fellaleft:


Kublakhan27 suggests :
I know it's far-fetched, and it might even be impossible depending on past chapters (there are so many now that I forget a lot of things that have happened) but I think it's actually been two people. I do believe the orange-masked guy was Obito but the person in the Rinnegan mask? I think it might be Rin...the long-lost member of Kakashi's old team who- to my knowledge - we know nothing about except that Kakashi "couldn't save her." Would they notice if it's a female voice? Who knows? I guess I'll have till the anime for that to be answered. That's why I'm sure this is such a ridiculous theory though haha...the only thing that compels me to think it's her is that the Rinnegan mask is actually a helmet, so there's no giveaway in terms of hairstyle or other features...also, the wardrobe of the post-Akatuski Tobi has a BIT of a feminine look to it. But that's obviously a purely subjective idea.

So what happened to Obito? Maybe Konan did mess him up to the point where he didn't survive and we just weren't shown that turn of events. How would Rin wind up with those eyes? Maybe she took Obito's other eye after Konan did him in. The Rinnegan? I have no clue. The whole Rinnegan thing is still a total mystery to me. But just like the Tobi/Obito anagram, there is also a Rin/Rinnegan semi-anagram. But just like Naruto met his parents in some meditative dimension, Madara may have come to Obito under similar circumstances, and provided him with a copy of his trademark weapon.


mitsuki0tennyo reasons:
I'm starting to think Rin as she easily had to opportunity to take Obito's other eye.


3. Tobi=Izuna:

Knight-Dawn hopes:
I really want it to be Izuna, though, because it'd be the ultimate reversal in a way. So many people thought Tobi/"Madara" freaked out because his brother, "Izuna" had been revived. Then, it turns out that it was Madara who was revived and Tobi could be anyone... So, I've been hoping for the irony that he'd have been Izuna all along since then.

It'd make sense, because I'm sure Izuna knew a lot about Madara, even enough to impersonate him. :aww:


midorynn discovers:
And now I'm thinking that he is Izuna, or Madara's experiment using Izuna's body/Madara's clone infused with Hashirama's cells/Izuna's body infused with some white Zetsus containing Hashirama's cells, going back to the other earlier theories.. >u<

Tobi has a Mangkeyou but never showed it anywhere,manga or episode.
But he has to have a mangekyou if he wanted to do the Tsuki-no-Me Plan,and use a space-time dimension that is Kamui. But Kishi doesnt want to show his mangekyou or else he will easily be given away LOL.

So, why do I think he is Izuna?

First is a really cool trivia.

Izuna and Tobi both weighs 55.9 kg,
and Izuna's height is 174.8 cm,
while Tobi had an additonal .2 cm growth at 175.0 cm.
I believe Izuna can still grow a little .2cm in that long span of time after Izuna's death and on Tobi's first appearance.:)

Second is that he knows more than anybody in the Naruverse about Madara. If he is Izuna, or the other "hims" I mentioned above,then there will be no explanation needed. He is probably a Hashirama-cell-infected Izuna,though. Its the one I'm supporting the most. :)


4. Tobi=Someone else:

Pack69Alpha hopes:
Tobi was first seen two years after Obito died. Obito died when his right half was completely crushed. There is no way if Obito was saved, he could be healed in time and then train enough to get the kyuubi under his control and challenge yondaime himself in under two years. And we saw how scrawny Kakashi and the other then-teenagers were, yet Tobi had an adult body.
What I think is that Tobi stole Obito's eye.
Or it could even be that he is obito himself who stole another body and was pretending to be stupid to get everyone off track.
But for Kakashi's sake I hope he is not Obito. I mean Kakahi spent more than half of his life mourning for Obito and then this.


Fenxus objects:
I can't think Obito as a villain... He cared about his friends. He would never be a villain as Tobi. It CAN'T be Obito! If it IS Obito, I'll eat my hat!


midorynn asks:
So, going back about Kakashi and Tobi.
Who do you think is that person that caused them such emotions to trigger their Mangekyou?
In Kakashi's case, you think it started to activate when Kakashi had Obito's eye transplanted?
But ueah it was just an ordinary Sharingan when Kakshi opened his eyes after the transplant, so I don't think it activated that time, but who knows if the MS could actually "hide"?


kyoshiroelric defends :
I think the only point of that scene was to reveal that he did had two Sharingan, hopefully shooting all the theories of Obito being Tobi to hell.

Obito simply isn't smart enough to know all the things Tobi knows, even Itachi's knowledge doesn't eclipse Tobi's. I do believe that Madara created Zetsu after purposely loosing his battle with Hashirama in which the fight did not kill him which is what he told Kabuto. So how and when exactly did he die?

<...>
Madara knows Tobi but isn't calling him by name, I think that's a major hint.
The dude knows Nagato somehow, Nagato was a kid during the 2nd Great Ninja War, Madara was thought to have been dead at that time which suggest that he lived longer than anyone expected him.


5. Tobi=Rikudou's son:

midorynn muses:
But if Tobi has both Senju and Uchiha in his blood,
he can really be one of the Rikudou's sons!
It's really crazy, I know, but I'll wait for the day
that he uses an eternal Mangekyou to show that he HAD a brother,
(I kind of believe that he has an EM ) and that will show that he definitely is not Madara.

How the fuck does he know about Madara's history that deep anyway? And Kakashi's history?? And Guy's history??
This man peeps I swear


He also has the ability to activate Izanagi, which he used against Konan,
a jutsu that requires both Senju and Uchiha(along with the sharingan)
blood/cells in the user to activate.
Unless he transferred in him some Hashirama cells again while being an Uchiha...


6. Tobi=Orochimaru's experiment:

Junablossom investigates:
If the clan was indeed massacred, however not by Itachi, let you think who would be able to kill so many people in silence without anyone noticing.
We all know that Konoha is surrounded by the invisible protection wall, or whatever it is called (I forgot sorry.) Noticing someone entering, who should not would have been noticed.
So here we are, so it was still someone of Konoha, or once Konoha that would be able to sneak in. That means that the 'Tobi' was a Konoha Ninja, since the detection failed (Fox incident on Narutos birth)? No wonder some thought it could be Obito... anyway...

<...>
Kisame identified the Tobi one as the Mizukage, right? So he won´t likely won´t be Shodai Mizkage, he would be dead like the real Madara (due to age)? So no information given about the Sandaime Mizukage, which he could be. If we take Tobi is not a clone or something crazy like that.
If he is a cloned one... oh well. Danzo for sure donated for it, he needed and wanted the 'perfect' right hand and loyal followers, like we know Root was forming for him. The perfect right hand, would have been, more or less, himself with the perfect body which he was not able to obtain.

Cloning itself: Orochimaru tried alot, cloning the eyes he wanted or even the body with it would have been reasonable to him. Creepy to us... However I do not know of a 'succeeded' cloning and nothing hinted there?

:star: :star: :star:

My theory is even a bit different... I said that I think Tobi might be not an Uchiha, how it would be if he is. Let have a nice night, with a beauty of a woman and a drunken Uchiha somewhere. The cliché story of getting pregnant, drunken one-night-stand. Hating no having a father or so... you know how the tale goes :-)

For Tobi trying to take the Fox was a big gamble for him, succeeding rate was 50/50 in my mind at least.
This brings me back to Orochimaru. Minato is a enemy you do not want to have. We saw only a glimpse of what person he was, however it is clear you do not want the meet him as an enemy. He is smart, quick and calculating one. This sums him up to be strong. He figured quickly that Tobi has a 'resting - not able to use' downtime of his time/space, telling us how smart Minato was.
The calculation of Tobi must have been: Either he take the fox with him successfully, or Minato would die.
When Tobi had Konoha had connections he knew that Minato would be able to seal the Biju again with the Shinigami. It was not in the calculation that Kushina would survive the rip out. Minato could have let Kushina do as she said, he could have been alive with Naruto and do everything possible to get Tobi and all evil. However he choose the gamble of letting Naruto have the fox, hoping he would be able to use it, to bring the evil down instead of him. He must have seen or know something, that let him choose this last stand instead of being alive and making his son a living target until he grow strong.


MakaiSamide admits:
I have always thought of him as a genetical toy of Maddie and Orochimaru-sama. Well, to be exact I thought he was the first Zetsu created. Later on transforming into Madara (After he died) And having a major identity crisis. Which is still going on :D


7. Tobi=Madara:

PikaCheeka investigates:
All evidence currently leads to Tobi being some form of horcrux to Madara, or at the very least a clone.

There are far too many things going on there for him not to Madara in some way, shape or form, and there has been an increasing amount of proof in the manga that it is possible for someone to be both alive and dead at once. (looking at jutsu of Minato, Kushina, Orochimaru, and Muu, all combined, proves this). Combine that with the facts that Madara expected someone to Rinne Tensei him and we know Tobi needed to use Rinne Tensei to complete himself, and it's very plausible.


Nivalis70 reminds :
I still think Tobi is really "nobody", it's just a genetically modified body (a Zetsu type, obviously) which carries Madara's will. Anyway, Tobi's right eye is Obito's, but that's all they have in common, in my opinion.
I'm wondering how can Tobi know everything about everyone - maybe he shares the expericences of the sharingans he got, and also those of any Akatsuki members (thinking to Kisame and Gai) maybe via their respective rings.


8. Your best guess:

:star:Feelin' lucky!:star:

9. Your bestest guess:

:star:Feelin' trolled!:star:

:iconmisty01plz::iconmisty02plz:
:iconmisty03plz::iconmisty04plz: And a cookie for readers :aww:

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kyoshiroelric's avatar
I'm sadly gonna wait until Kishi explains the meaning of his trolling here, but a greater issue is - OhMyJashin Tobi is one handsome motherfucker isn't he?

I'm still holding out that he's Izuna or strangely Shisui, but I think Orochimaru has a lot to do with this trolling here. Him and Madara's secret experiment love child, if that makes sense.